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No lighting in Cator Park

Reported via desktop in the Request for Park Infrastructure category anonymously at 23:59, Saturday 6 August 2022 using FixMyStreet Pro

Sent to Bromley Council less than a minute later

Please install some lampposts along the paths in Cator Park so that it is safe for running, walking, and cycling in the autumn and winter months. Thanks.

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  • Thank you for your report, this is now being investigated. Information on our services and the timeframes we aim to respond in can be found: http://www.bromley.gov.uk/ fixservices

    State changed to: In progress

    Posted by Bromley Council at 23:59, Saturday 6 August 2022

  • We are continuing to investigate and working to resolve this report

    Posted by Bromley Council at 08:07, Monday 8 August 2022

  • Please don't do that. Local people were consultated on this before and residents didn't want it. The roads can be used at night, there is no need to use the park as a cyclist (I commute by bike) and joggers can use the pavement. It will just be more light pollution, disturb the owls, bats etc and will also encourage more of the anti social behaviour we already get here, more motor cyclists using the park at night, more drone flying, and more drug paraphernalia.

    Posted anonymously at 19:34, Tuesday 9 August 2022

  • As a young woman, I would really appreciate lights in the park. I don't feel safe walking through it by myself when it is dark - and it gets dark so early in the winter. Most people don't finish work until it is dark so cannot go out earlier, and don't have their own gardens. This and this means they miss out on using public outdoor spaces.

    I am not sure there is any evidence that antisocial behaviour increases with good lighting? In fact a lot of crimes such as sexual assualt etc will decrease if there is good lighting.

    A compromise could be that the lights are on between 4pm-11pm and say from 6am till it gets light?

    Posted anonymously at 10:50, Wednesday 10 August 2022

  • Have there been any night time sexual assaults in Cator Park? There was one in Penge Recreation Ground 7 years ago - where there is night time illumination. The cycle path recently added on Lennard and tree-lined Aldersmead was intended as a solution to the problem you report, allowing an alternative to jogging or cycling through the park after dark. If it's to answer a desire to be in nature after 4pm, there is already a lit route along the Waterlink Way where one can stroll or jog under street lights after dark, and enjoy the riverside. The Friends of Cator Park sometimes offer bat walks at night, so people can use it after dark, in safety and without disturbing others. This is an area that has changed a lot over the last 10-12 years, with increasing night time light pollution (more people have security lights locally, as does the the new Harris school build). Lights make people feel safer but surely it's a balance between the risk of personal assault, which is very small, and other local concerns. The evidence of damage to natural habitats that night time illumination effects is proven.

    Posted anonymously at 13:20, Wednesday 10 August 2022

  • I think it is naive to think that everybody reports assaults to the police, especially sexual ones. Many will not be recorded. I doubt there has only been one assault in the local area in the last 7 years!!

    I do think that deterring people from going to the park at nighttime (ie. by keeping it pitch black) to reduce crime doesn’t solve the issue. The issue is people don’t feel safe being there at night, and this issue could be addressed easily by adequate lighting meaning they are able to use it before and after work when it is still dark. The solution shouldn’t be that everyone stays indoors?

    The waterlink way does have street lamps but it is not well lit - the street lamps are not bright enough or frequent enough for me (and I therefore imagine many other young women) to feel comfortable there at night.

    The odd bat walk isn’t going to help someone who works long hours, without their own private garden, who wants to spend time safely in their local park at a time that suits them.

    I appreciate the area is changing. Not all change is bad.

    I do appreciate the need to protect local wildlife. I don’t see why the proposed solution of lights on until say 11pm, and on from 6am would not be a fair compromise? This would not affect the wildlife but would make people feel safer at times that people would appreciate using it.

    Finally - this is going to be my last post here! I only came on to show my support to the original poster who suggested these lights. I happen to agree with them. If there are at least two residents who feel this is a good idea - then maybe Bromley council should look at this issue/ consulting residents again? Have a good evening.

    Posted anonymously at 17:37, Wednesday 10 August 2022

  • You might like to do some research into how artificial lighting disrupts the seasonal light and dark patterns that animal species live by. I suggest you look at the local crime map and investigate sexual assaults in local parks there. Yes, there have been more recent assaults - in the park that has lighting.

    Posted anonymously at 01:09, Thursday 11 August 2022

  • Current policy is that we only install, repair and replace lighting on Public Rights of Way and Highways. Park users are expected to exercise due diligence when in our parks and open spaces as with any other woodland or green space.

    State changed to: Closed

    Posted by Bromley Council at 13:02, Friday 2 September 2022

  • Thank you for using FixMyStreet to report your concerns to Bromley.

    State changed to: No further action

    Posted by Bromley Council at 13:02, Friday 2 September 2022

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